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Cross-browser custom CSS cursors


I saw sometime ago the funny drawing below.
Time breakdown of modern web design

You can see that big portion is for making the design work in Internet Explorer.
First you laugh, but if you developed rich web sites/user interfaces you actually realize that this is only underevaluated. I would also extend it and say “make the design cross-browser”.

The tip that I’ll present you next it’s actually a small workaround and it will help you reduce that big pie slice.

Let’s say that you want to change the cursor for a page, for links or for some other specific elements. How? Using CSS. Then we should first go at W3C and read how to do it.
So the cursor property is the answer.
As good web developers we will separate the CSS from HTML and create the following structure

  /
  +-- cursor.html
  |-- cursor
      +-- cursor.css
      |-- cursor.cur    
  • cursor.html
    <html>
      <head>
        <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="cursor/cursor.css">
      </head>
      <body>
        Hello world!
        Look at me, I have a new cool cursor! 
      </body>
    </html>
    
  • cursor.css
    BODY {
        cursor: url(cursor.cur);
    }
    

Now everything should be set, so let’s give it a spin. Of course, we want everything to be cross-browser. For the sake of testing open cursor.html in Internet Explorer, Firefox and (for those Mac lovers) Safari. Surprise, the cursor is the default one in IE and Mozilla, but it’s the desired one in Safari. Frustrating isn’t it? You write W3C compliant code and it doesn’t work in the first two major browsers. The “best” part is that this is happening for different reasons.

Let’s first take care of Mozilla. Remember from CSS2 specification that cursor property holds a list of possible cursors and the browser should use the first found one or the default one if none is found.
Add to this list default and modify the cursor property from

cursor: url(cursor.cur);

to

cursor: url(cursor.cur),default;

And now refresh the page in Firefox. Even tough it doesn’t make sense at all, it will work and you will see your nice cursor.

And now IE comes next (as it still doesn’t work). As you noticed in cursor.css, we used for the cursor property relative URIs. To quote from there: For CSS style sheets, the base URI is that of the style sheet, not that of the source document. But if you modify the cursor property to

cursor: url(cursor/cursor.cur),default;

this will actually work. This is because in IE, for style sheets, the base URI is that of the source element, not that of the style sheet. Totally opposite to W3C specifications, but, yeah … that’s MSIE.

And if we want to still work in Firefox and Safari we have to keep the property value as below:

cursor: url(cursor.cur),url(cursor/cursor.cur),default;

. So everytime you want to define a crossbrowser CSS cursor you should define it as a list containing the url relative to the source element, the url relative to the style sheet and the default value.

The above examples were tested on IE 6.0.2900.2180, IE 7.0.5730, Firefox 2.0.0.11, Firefox 3.0.1, Safari 3.0.4, all under Windows XP SP2. I also tested in Opera 9.25, but it seems that it doesn’t support custom cursors.

Later edit – Jan 28, 2009:
The above examples were also tested under Firefox 3.0.5, Internet Explorer 8 beta 2 (inside IETester), Internet Explorer 8 RC1 (version 8.0.6001.18372CO), Safari 3.2.1 (525.27.1), Google Chrome 1.0.154.43 under Windows Vista.
I also tested with IE 5.5 (inside IETester), but it doesn’t support custom cursors.
There is also an example.

Later edit – Feb 10th, 2010:
If you want a custom cursor for an image (IMG) or link (A), then you need to attach the CSS to that tag, not to an enclosing container (e.g. DIV).

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  1. daniel
    January 27, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Thanks, I fiddled around with this problem for some time before I found your blog. The “, default” for Firefox is really stupid…

  2. daniel
    January 27, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Thanks, I fiddled around with this problem for some time before I found your blog. The “, default” for Firefox is really stupid…

  3. Anonymous
    March 10, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Hi,
    just to point out that the answer to your comment: “And now refresh the page in Firefox. Even tough it doesn’t make sense at all, it will work and you will see your nice cursor.”, is because, according to CSS standards, you should provide that alternative cursor format (“default” in your example) in case the first one is not found. Firefox doesn’t accept a sentence that does not contain that “final alternative cursor”. Instead of “default” (a fixed arrow) it can be, for instance, “auto” (the standard behavior, when cursor changes to different standard shapes depending on the field it’s over), “help” or other cursor mode values.

  4. Manolo Farfan
    March 10, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Thanks. I found thanks to this site that the custom cursor I was using was using the wrong (but logical) URI.

  5. July 1, 2008 at 3:47 am

    This is sweet! All the other sites make you copy and paste all sorts of complicated. This is very elegant indeed.

    • August 8, 2010 at 4:42 am

      Hello …

      Someone could tell me what would be the script or syntax to change the cursor on a template made for Joomla, it would really appreciate it please, what would the syntax, where and how this would … thanks

      something similar to the example and put this in this link http://beradrian.users.sourceforge.net/articles/cursor.html

      In Spanish
      Hola…

      Alguien me podría decir cual sería el script o sintaxis para poder cambiar el cursor en una plantilla hecha para Joomla!, se lo agradeceria muchisimo por favor, cual seria la sintaxis, donde y como se pondria… gracias

      algo parecido al ejemplo que pusieron y que esta en este link http://beradrian.users.sourceforge.net/articles/cursor.html

  6. m
    July 29, 2008 at 6:00 am

    Am I missing something, or does Firefox on the Mac, even Firefox 3, still not support custom cursors?

  7. July 30, 2008 at 8:22 am

    To tell you frankly I don’t have a Mac to play with. The Safari version that I tested with, I was running it under Windows XP.

  8. Hans Brough
    September 11, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    I have not been able to get the custom cursor to work in FF3 or Safari 3 on the mac either… sure would like to know if it’s even possible.

  9. September 11, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    I tried on FF3 and Safari3 on Windows and it seems to work. This site is a good example: http://www.lazer.ro/lasercombat. You can even change the cursor from a left hand menu. Tell me if it works on Mac too, even tough it uses .cur files.

  10. Jennifer
    September 16, 2008 at 2:43 am

    Hmm, interesting. I’m on a Mac and it seems to work in Safari3 but still not FF3.

  11. Sean
    September 29, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Thank you so much for this, I was pulling my hair out trying to understand why my custom cursor was working in one browser, but not others.

  12. hasan
    January 27, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    its not working in Internet Explorer 8. can any body help me out.
    thanks in advance

  13. January 28, 2009 at 10:21 am

    I just tested with Internet Explorer 8 RC1 (version 8.0.6001.18372CO) and with Internet Explorer 8 beta 2 (inside IETester). It works.
    Can you post your page/code/URL that doesn’t work?

  14. January 31, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Thanks.. It really saved the day.

  15. February 8, 2009 at 5:55 am

    Love the advice. Thank you.

  16. February 15, 2009 at 7:55 am

    Real useful stuff here. Now to the problem on a Mac. I’m hypothesizing, but maybe if you use a different file type than .cur it will work? I have used a .PNG file as my cursor, and it works, on Windows. I don’t have a Mac to try this on but this might solve the problem, again I’m only hypothesizing.

  17. March 3, 2009 at 9:27 am

    It doesn’t work in Safari 3.2.2, have you found some fixes yet? Thank you!

  18. March 3, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    I suppose you are using Safari on a Mac. What kind of cursor files are you using? I’m not sure that .cur files are supported on Mac.

  19. Mathew
    March 20, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I am not able to get it work on Firfox 3, the only difference is i use a .ani file (animated cursor).

    Any idea ?

  20. Tim
    March 23, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    By providing an absolute value for the cursor url instead of a relative one the need to declare it twice should be avoided…

    Oh and a response to Matthew. According to MozDev animated cursors of any kind aren’t supported. Animated gifs will just show the first frame and .anis won’t show at all.At some point later they will be supported but for now just stick with a .cur.

  21. March 23, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Indeed, specifying an absolute URL solves the problem. But sometimes, I really don’t like this. When you move from a development environment to the production one, you need to change all the links (in an automatic way or not). So that’s why I prefer relative URLs. Moreover, imagine a CSS that describes a theme of your website. There an absolute URL is totally impractical.

    • October 4, 2011 at 10:55 am

      You should be able to use /images/cursor.cur instead. Dropping back to the webroot before finding the image.

  22. April 10, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    you have just saved my life! i use firefox, but most of my blogger friends use IE, my custom cursor will work on both! thanx :D

  23. Yalcin
    May 5, 2009 at 5:34 am

    Nice .. I almost resorted very ugly workarounds.

  24. Jürgen Jeka
    May 11, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Hello,

    A fairly complete cross-browser compatibility table for the “cursor” CSS property is here:

    https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/cursor

    j.j.

  25. June 3, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Hallelujah!

  26. June 11, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    You made my day!

    I’ve been struggling for hours to get it to work and all that needed to be done was adding ‘,default’ to the declaration.

    btw. you can easily use a relative path that works all the time. Just add an extra slash at the beginning of the url to refer to the root of your website, like:

    {cursor: url(/cursor/cursor.cur), default;}

    last problem solved.

    Again, thnx alot!

    ps. I found a great free editor to create and modify cursors:

    http://www.rw-designer.com/cursor-maker

  27. Steve
    July 10, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Works currently on newest version of Safari for Mac but not on Firefox 3.5. Come on FF, keep up.

  28. Wes
    August 4, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Thank you thank you thank you! I needed this information and now my cursors work in IE. Stupid IE!

  29. Maz
    August 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Hey Dude!! I love you ;) I was banging my head with the so complicated scripts out there to get my custom cursor work cross browser.

  30. paul
    September 17, 2009 at 7:43 am
  31. Matej
    September 22, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    What about SSL connections? I can’t force IE on HTTPS web page to show custom cursor by relative url. I need to use absolute, but still cursor doesn’t work if the absolute url is HTTPS, but only if the absolute url is HTTP (but then on the HTTPS web page IE reports “this page contains both secure and nonsecure items”…)

  32. KyZiX
    September 24, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Perhaps I missed something but my new cursor reverts to the standard hand pointer in Google when running over links. What have I missed?

    • September 24, 2009 at 9:24 pm

      Can you post your code here?

  33. KyZiX
    September 25, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    hmmmm. I’ve been screwing around with it. currently the page is http://kyzix.kicks-ass.net/wii/index.htm with the css here http://kyzix.kicks-ass.net/wii/cursor.css
    I see that this happens in both IE and Chrome.

    • September 25, 2009 at 3:13 pm

      Remove the inline style for the link element (A) and put this into your CSS

      BODY, A:hover {
      cursor: url(wii-pointer-ccw.cur), default;
      }

      • KyZiX
        September 25, 2009 at 4:18 pm

        FIXED! Thanks for that, Excellent!

  34. Curtis
    October 12, 2009 at 1:40 am

    I got it to work in ie and Firefox… but ie 8 stretches my cursor and it looks weird…. is there anyway to re size the cursor in only ie

    • October 28, 2009 at 1:12 pm

      Can you please post your code here? Or send it to me?

  35. xzappa
    October 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    can i use .ani files

    • October 28, 2009 at 1:11 pm

      As far as I know animated cursors like .ani or animated .gif are not supported yet.

  36. fc
    November 7, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Hi
    I got it to work with FF but NOT IE7+.
    Can it have to do with the doc type ?
    It´s should only work on the top wide photo on the page.
    And the wide near the bottom.

    • November 7, 2009 at 10:41 pm

      Have you tried to use the CSS class on the A element instead of the IMG one?

      • fc
        November 8, 2009 at 12:23 am

        Just tested it:
        If I put the class for IE on the a tag I get the arrow cursor instead of the pointer in IE …

  37. fc
    November 7, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Sorry, the lower photo is only at this page …

  38. fc
    November 8, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Hi

    Here is what I found out:

    My own cursor renamed from .gif to .cur does not work with IE7,

    but this works with both IE7 and FF3.5 so far :-)

    cursor: url(“../graphics/magnify.cur”), url(“../../graphics/magnify.cur”), pointer}

    with a cursor found on web.

    • Steve
      December 20, 2009 at 8:45 pm

      That is because .cur and .gif are entirely different formats. The .cur format is identical to the Windows .ico format, except that a .cur file has a hotspot (the tip of the cursor).

      Renaming a .gif to .cur is pointless as it will not make it into something that it is not. Firefox supports .gif cursors, and ignores the false extension, so it works. IE 7 only supports .cur and .ani cursors, and since it is a .gif it does not work.

  39. November 24, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Fine though CAUTION

    It works all right but you cannot live a blank space between the bracket and the comma, like this:

    cursor: url(cursor.cur) , url(cursor/cursor.cur) , default;

    This will NOT work in IE (at least IE 7.0.6000….

    • November 25, 2009 at 7:52 pm

      Even though I didn’t encounter this, I fixed the code in the post. Thanks for reporting this.

      • November 26, 2009 at 7:36 am

        Sorry. I ment you cannot write

        url(cursor.cur)_, _url(cursor/cursor.cur)_,_default;

        (where _ means blank)
        This does not work on my IE test.
        Then I wrote:

        url(cursor.cur),_url(cursor/cursor.cur),_default;

        And it magically works.

        • February 23, 2010 at 5:43 am

          blank space was killing me…. THANKS!!!

  40. hans
    November 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    H!.. thanks a lot!! but it doesn’t work in Firefox 3.5.5! I’m on a mac.. any ideas what to do? it’s not possible with custom cursors at all in Firefox 3???

  41. hans
    November 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I have no idea why this is working:

    I wanted the hand cursor, so I downloaded it from google maps and used it as a custom cursor. It didn’t work in Firefox 3.5.5 (mac) until I did this:

    #body {
    cursor: url(absolute url to cursor),url(cursor/cursor.cur),move;
    }

    Works for me! :O

    btw, does anyone know how change the cursor when holding down the mouse button? onclick change and when released it should change back..?!

    peace

    • November 26, 2009 at 10:08 pm

      What about making an action for that ?

    • Steve
      December 20, 2009 at 8:52 pm

      You could either use CSS classes or just change the cursor property in the onMouseUp/onMouseDown events.

      For example:

      In your CSS, create a “drag” class and set a different cursor.

      • Steve
        December 20, 2009 at 8:53 pm

        Whoops, it ate my HTML.
        That should be:
        <body onmousedown=”document.body.className = ‘drag';” onmouseup=”document.body.className = ”;”>

  42. hans
    November 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    looks like firefox has its own hand cursor?

  43. November 28, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Hi

    The best thing to do is to make a full path, in the style sheet, to the cursor file like http://www.photopress.dk/graphic/cursor.cur

    instead of the workaround with two relative paths to the .cur, on for IE and one for FF.
    Here I had 1481 file not found (404 in the stat pages) in the last days because there is allways one of the paths who are wrong :)

    Seems that theese cursors does not work with Opera (?)

    • October 4, 2011 at 10:59 am

      Or use /graphic/cursor.cur instead.

    • August 8, 2012 at 7:33 pm

      You will get an 404 error using this link, I did write Adrian about this, but NO DO. !!!
      Anyway click at the top picture with the magnifying glass the code is in the css file:

      .zxin {cursor: url(‘http://www.photopress.dk/graphics/magnify.cur’), pointer}
      .zxout {cursor: url(‘http://www.photopress.dk/graphics/zoomout.cur’), pointer}

  44. prussia
    March 31, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    also big noise für eine semi-working halbfertige solution. this is not working on mac! blizz blizz

  45. MrCoffee
    April 27, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    That is a very accurate graph.

  46. nobody
    May 20, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    just wanted to say ‘thanks, man!’ ;)

  47. July 2, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Really nice article Adrian !
    Thanks

  48. Iván T.
    July 27, 2010 at 4:05 am

    Thank you very much, well documented. I tried in Opera for hours but I didn’t know about custom cursors are not supported in that browser.

    Oh! and the pie chart is really funny.

  49. February 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    really thank you for posting this well organize article…thanks…

  50. March 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    ADRIAN !!! … very interesting and useful your code, but doesn’t work with a Doctype.
    If you find any solution, please publish it or send mi a mail.

    thanks a lot.

    • March 10, 2011 at 5:39 pm

      Which Doctype are you trying to use, so I can try it too?

  51. Dan
    March 21, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    who knew about adding ,default;
    thanks a lot

  52. April 4, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Thanks for this. I was intimately involved in the develoment of the web, CSS and so on. But my conclusion is that we failed in providing a coherent system. I have a page with single line of code that uses four different syntaxes: php, javascript, html and SQL.
    To make a site one needs html, http, css, php, javascript and SQL. Six different and VERY UGLY languages (seven if you count Java or Flash for applets). Was this really necessary? Definitely not! Result: tons of sites like this one where people explain their experimental approaches. What a way of getting anything done.
    That pie chart is good. I gave up bothering about Internet Explorer, but I have a similarly large slice for coping with the syntaxes. I once lost a whole afternoon because I used the Javascript “+” for string concatenation in php instead of “.” and got an acceptable result but not quite what I had intended.
    Sigh.
    Robert.

    • April 4, 2011 at 1:48 pm

      Actually you can get rid of php and sql. I use Java/JSP/Hibernate/Spring. Much more natural.

  53. April 4, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Thanks. I may explore a little.
    I’m using livecode (http://www.runrev.com) for all stuff I need locally. There is a set of modules that allows one to replace javascript, php, flash and java all with the same language. The syntax is even more natural. I hope it will take off. I’m going to the conference at the end of April.
    Have a good day,
    Robert.

  54. Tim
    May 27, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Okay, I’m a poorly trained hack that does manage to make limited pages. I like to create pages for use in myleague tournaments. Therefore, I cannot store a stylesheet on the same site. I do create individual folders for each tournament page elsewhere, so I can create css sheets just for that page if someone could show an example of how to point to other sites.
    Thanks for any help provided.

    • May 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm

      Your question is not actually related to the article. You can reference a stylesheet like <link rel=”stylesheet” type=”text/css” href=”http://your.server.com/path/to/file.css”/>.

  55. Burello
    June 11, 2011 at 3:25 am

    Thanks. This worked perfectly!

  56. Ltearth
    August 17, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Hey do you know anything about Wikia coding? I know this should work, but I can’t seem to get this to work in a Wikia. They (Wikia Staff) keep telling me its possible, but won’t help.

  57. Ltearth
    August 17, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Oh okay for somereason the cursor: url(xxx), default; code worked for IE on the Wikia and not FireFox… blah!

  58. September 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Thanks!!! I really need this trick!! I’m your follower since today!

  59. asd
    October 18, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    I almost got blind after seeing the example … change that background color!

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:56 pm

      Really? This is your first and only comment? This is what you got from this article and what struck you? Then maybe this is not the blog for you.

  60. Steve
    November 27, 2011 at 2:31 am

    interesting and informative, thank you.

    I was looking for some help in changing the size of the cursor. In Xwindows my cursor size is 64, because I have a 3 30inch monitors, total resolution 7680 x 1600. 64 pixels gives a 7/16″ high cursor and is right for that resolution.

    However, when I cursor over an open firefox window, the cursor switches to a left-arrow, but the size is about 1/8″ high (half the size of the 18 point font).

    I am not particular about which cursor image I have–I just want to SEE it, that is, have it’s size be 64 pixels.

    Do you know if there is a size specification for firefox cursors?
    Or do you have to load each cursor image into an editor and make them bigger that way?

    Just for the record, under Xwindows, using Opera version 11.52, the system cursor (64 pixels high and wide) is still used within Opera windows. It is only firefox that the cursor changes images and goes so small.

    Any ideas?

    SKM

    • November 29, 2011 at 4:55 pm

      As far as I know you cannot change the cursor size through CSS. You’ll have to use different images.

  61. December 5, 2011 at 3:29 am

    i was so glad i found this !!
    it is not working in Chrome though.
    also, how can i get it to work when my cursor is over an image slider using javascript ?

    http://www.imprintwebdesign.com/point_lobster

    • December 5, 2011 at 1:10 pm

      I just tested in Chrome under Windows 7 and it is working.
      In your page the links were not working, But there you should add :hover to the CSS rule. Also I don’t think it will work on Flash. You can implement a slider using HTML/CSS/JS :). And then you can either use the :hover pseudo-selector or change the style or CSS class in JavaScript.

      • December 5, 2011 at 2:33 pm

        Adrian,
        Thanks, This page is just a mockup and as such, the links only have # tags.
        Sorry, I meant to say that it wasn’t working on Opera. I just tried it again on Opera using W7 with no luck.
        I’ll keep working on the hover over Flash and if i get anywhere, I’ll report back.

  62. Screw You
    December 15, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Your article makes it sound like the cursor has to be in a special .cur cursor format. Cursors can in fact be in any image format.

  63. Gwen
    February 10, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Great article! If I wanted to just have a custom cursor on mouse over only, do you know how to do this? Thanks!

    • February 13, 2012 at 2:55 pm

      Just use the :hover CSS pseudo-selector.
      A:hover {cursor: url(cursor.cur),url(cursor/cursor.cur),default;}

  64. ff2
    March 19, 2012 at 8:14 am

    This comment was removed due to offensive character.

  65. March 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Hi,
    Modern browsers can use PNG for cursor, IE can use ANI format.
    So, in css it can be used, for example:
    #idiv { cursor:url(‘bluearrow.ani’), url(‘bluearrow.png’), move; }

  66. August 25, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    excuse me but i just didn’t understand were to put my code can u answer me please?

  67. Varun
    March 12, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Nice post, but I have a query, Is it possible to download a cursor (without accessing the server again) once an HTML page is fully loaded on the client side ?? If yes, how ??
    I know I can find out the cursor URL, but what if I want to download within a single request ??
    thanks

    • March 12, 2013 at 11:53 pm

      Not sure what you mean. A cursor is a separate resource and as far as I know you cannot do something like sprites. But you can use the data-URI scheme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme, but not supported in IE7, for which you can revert to a separate resource.

  68. Varun
    March 13, 2013 at 6:21 am

    Thank You Adrian for your reply. Well, to elaborate more, I’m working on some security implications using mouse custom cursors, which can be broken if cursors can be saved without accessing server twice through the same URL. To give a step by step problem description:
    On request to an HTML page, it is rendered with a DIV tag that has a custom cursor.
    Now I want to save that cursor file as an Image (simly *.cur) type on my computer without asking the server again.
    Is it possible through some client side code ??

    • March 13, 2013 at 8:32 am

      First of all to save directly on the client machine it will require something like Files API from HTML5.
      If you rely on browser capabilities, there isn’t something like “Save cursor as” similar to “Save image as”.
      You can include a link to the cursor file and rely on browser cache (you can set the cache headers for the cursor request).
      But, in my opinion, the best way will be to render on the server side the same cursor (use referrer or a temporary code in the URL)

  69. Varun
    March 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Thanks, So can I conclude that it is impossible to save the cursor for processing or comparing with an image on the HTML page – without making a SECOND reference to the URL of the cursor ??
    If yes, can you please provide me a reference so that I can use it in my Project/Thesis work ??
    If not, can you provide me a proper way to do that ??

    Thanks a lot.

  70. Andrew
    April 11, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Well-written, but it would be better if we had live demo like here: http://basicuse.net/articles/pl/textile/html_css/css_changing_cursor to show how it works.

  71. October 31, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    An interesting discussion is definitely worth comment. I think that you should publish more about this topic, it might not be a taboo matter but generally folks don’t talk about such subjects. To the next! Kind regards!! http://www.mentarimedia.com

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